PB Okay, welcome back to the show today. Great pleasure I've got a costume designer for to hit series out on Netflix at the moment we've got Dharma which is Monster and the watcher, costume designer Rudy Mance. How we're doing today, Rudy. Unknown Speaker I am great. I'm great. Thanks for having me. PB Hey, it's my pleasure and online to you know him. You love him. It's Ken stuff from oceanographer. How are we doing today, Ken? Unknown Speaker Hey, doing all right. That's one of the simpler interests have given me. PB I normally go into an elaborate gag to introduce him, but I didn't get time today. Anywho. Well, Rudy, again, it was really great to catch up with you. Because, you know, Ken and I have been back and forth watching Dharma, the watcher and and don't worry, darling, that's not long been out. I know. You were I think assistant costume designer on that. Is that right? Unknown Speaker Yeah. Yeah, that was my last night. I went out with a bang and assisted REM Phillips on that. So. And a couple of famous people were in that ones. Unknown Speaker A few. Yeah. PB Would you mind touching on that, in terms of your role? I mean, I know Ariana Phillips was like, the main head for that, but what was your involvement in the film? Unknown Speaker Well, I assisted assisted RA and so she and I, you know, together, worked on the references and sort of, you know, worked with Olivia Wilde, who was the director, and just sort of created the world. It was a an interesting and kind of incredible dream project, not only to get to work with, with RA with REM, but also, I mean, that cast was beyond incredible. But also, I mean, it we gave it sort of like a late 50s, early 60s vibe, but we kind of had carte blanche to to make it up and sort of, you know, play around with the just with the idea and with the concept. And so we gave it our A gave it a bit of a you know, a futuristic, it was both futuristic, but also kind of a throwback to like the classic, you know, back when the patriarchy was quite strong. The 50s and 60s were the women you know, it was before women's live. And, you know, they were just expected to sit at home and the it was the idealized world of, of Chris pines character, Frank. So it was a really fun project. And we got to we got to have a lot of fun and just play around and be really creative. So it was great. Yeah, a Unknown Speaker couple of quick questions on it. So it's got a beautiful mid century look from the close to the it's a gorgeous film, but I'm curious for I saw an article someplace. Oh, it turns out don't worry, darling is secretly movie about suits. I'm curious. For a lot of the clothing was it was most of that custom made? Or did you source some vintage stuff? Or how? What was the mix there? Unknown Speaker We did both. That still you just showed with? With Harry and with Chris. It's been a while Chris is I remember we made we made that at Western Western costume. And and Ariana and I found this incredible. It was the most incredible fabric it was like slim, like one shade off white. And we chose to put Kristen white there just to sort of, you know, make him pop and stand out a bit. And then I don't want to I don't want to misquote. Certainly for REM but I I think Harry wore in the end a Tom Ford suit. tuxedo. I mean, both those men wear clothes so well. Unknown Speaker It's a beautiful, lovely fabric. Yeah, I PB was just noticing that. Unknown Speaker Yeah, yeah, it was really interesting. It had some texture and dimension to it. And so it really made a beautiful suit. PB That's interesting. Also, I don't think it says anywhere that the film is set in the 60s or the 50s. But it has, like you mentioned that kind of otherworldly quality, where it could be futuristic, and it could be 60 years ago. I mean, it's it's, you've got the broad brush there to paint and paint the landscape. We're fine. Unknown Speaker Yeah, it was really great. I mean, and that's the genius of ARIA. And you know, she really, you know, adapted adapted, you know, her version of what it should be because it really does take place in an alternate universe. And so I think she was she was really incredible with combining the, you know, the past with the present with the future. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Just a quick question, by the way, spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't seen this movie. When we see Harry It looks terrible. What is that supposed to be present day or is that in the future slightly. What are we PB that's That's the back of me Hold on, I'm Unknown Speaker gonna get that bond connection in there. Unknown Speaker I think it's supposed to be, you know, present day, or, you know, whatever the film's version is of a present of the present day. Yeah, that was a weird, a weird twist when, when we got to where in the script, Unknown Speaker when I was, when I was watching it, I was kind of, you know, I was noticing the cars and the clothes that I'm trying to pinpoint in my head. Maybe it's 1962 or 1963. I know it's not real, obviously. But. And then when they show them in the real world, where they're From Russia With Love poster, I'm like, How lucky this guy found a simulation that takes at that time. Unknown Speaker Yeah, yeah, exactly. PB I don't know about you guys. But I had some Edward Scissorhands vibes watching this film, and take that within the spirit that is intended really, but again, kind of set within like a very microscopic world in terms of half the size of the circle. And every and all the husband's going off to work at the start of the day. And the women kind of milling around their gardens and stuff like that. I don't know if that ever came across the mood boards at any point. Unknown Speaker I don't think Edward Scissorhands. No, but But yeah, it's you know, anything that you can't really tell what period it is, is, you know, I think that's that's maybe a similarity. But that's also a great film, so why not? PB Yeah, I love that movie. Well, can we want to move on to the watcher? Let's let's switch gears seamlessly here, Ken. Unknown Speaker Yeah, this is big question on the watcher. Was this as much fun to work on as it was to watch? You had, there's such amazing actors playing such like color. There's Jennifer Coolidge, Richard tine, Margo, Margo Martindale, you had me a pharaoh for God's sake. PB It's such a Unknown Speaker such a fun, and you get to dress them. So cool. You had Coolidge in those wonderful coats like you just showed. I loved Richard Kind and Margo, in in the kind of matching like peacock blue. And anyway, what was it like working on this? And how much free rein did you have in terms of the the costume? How much was Ryan Murphy versus, you know, your, your contribution? Unknown Speaker Well, I mean, Ryan's always very involved in very hands on and he always has a very clear vision and always gives us very clear and precise direction. You know, with with Richard and Margot's character, like it was a script, you know, he was just like, oh, put put them in a matching tracksuit, like, you know, of the time. We sort of use that. And then from that, we just always sort of dressed them, you know, compare the company, you know, like, similarly, so they always kind of go together. And there was, I can't remember the name of, there's a fine art photographer who does these sort of weird portraits of people. I can't remember. But Ryan gave us that portrait and said, you know, do them like this. And so he gave us one, one photograph. And then and then we sort of went off of that, but, um, but yeah, it was fun. I mean, it's always challenging, especially doing episodic television with the pace and the, you know, was a really big cast. And that's the other great thing about Ryan, you know, he, he draws in a name. And so yeah, I mean, to get to work with with me a Pharaoh is like, my man, you know, I can retire. Wow. And she was so I mean, half the time, we'd go in together, dressed and she'd be fully dressed, ready, just sitting there. And then, you know, she would tell us the most incredible stories of her life and, you know, the directors will be outside, you know, like, can we get her can we get her but it's like you, you're like, Oh, just a minute, you know, and you pretend to be dressed and we're really you just be listening to, you know, her stories and what you know, what she was doing in the 60s in the 70s. And I feel really incredible. And Jen Coolidge is just I mean, funnier than even anyone knows and smart and witty. And she I mean, she was she's a dear friend now and she's an absolute I mean, half of her lines that actually made it on camera like none of that was in the script. Like it's all her like, scene and if you know Jen, you you see her at the start of the scene. Like she smells the napkin and does a weird face. And then she was saying, like, in this smells like vinegar, and it's like, That was never the genius that she is from ad libbing. And, you know, Unknown Speaker I had little bits in business she does. I noticed one time when she's got a tennis racket you just kind of hold it like a guitar and like sticks. fingers through the knitting. Yeah. PB Yeah, I love this phrase, the phrase holiday poor as well, I think I'm gonna make that one. Unknown Speaker Yeah. And that was another thing where like, I heard it when, when I was watching the series. What and like, that was never and also like, I think she like calls out the you know, she calls out the the waitresses by name and it's like, that also wasn't in the script. Like, she's so sweet. She probably during rehearsal was like, Honey, what's your name? And then like, you know, she was like, Can I get a holiday port? But it's, I mean, who had Unknown Speaker ever heard of a holiday poor before? And on the flip side Oh, sorry, I miss every. Unknown Speaker So yeah, it was fun to work on. Oh, yeah. Unknown Speaker Now with the with the core family with Baba Kandivali and Naomi Watts and the kids, it seems like they're always in kind of gray and beige. There's a moment where they first walk into the house. And Naomi wants his, I don't know, it feels a little sterile. And then you look at how she's dressed her family. And it's like, Isn't that your whole vibe? Unknown Speaker Yeah, again, that was Ryan, he, you know, from the beginning, he said, You know, I, I want them to look this way. I want them to always be you know, monochromatic, and doing, you know, like Shades of Grey and tans and animals and pewters and whites. And so, and then, I mean, again, like one of the greatest things about working with him. Not only is he's always very precise, and knows exactly what he wants, but he's also like, six months ahead of the trends. So like, as we were doing the series, you know, towards the end of it, we started seeing it all at the shops, you know, like everything was head to toe monochromatic and it's like it's a lie and knowing before anybody else what the next trend is, you know, Unknown Speaker gotcha. There's also Oh, I love this camel outfit here. Can we talk for a second just about where some of kind of always clothes came from? Because it really looks great in the show. Unknown Speaker Yeah, yeah. And that was again, a note from Ryan, he's like, I want Bobby to look like he's never looked before and dress like he's never dressed before that suit and a lot of suits came from because we didn't you know, you always try and make as much as you can, but on a contemporary show, and certainly, you know, a TV budget you can't always make every suit and and so a lot of his suits came from Suit Supply actually. And he also wears clothes so well it's you know, we we didn't have to work that hard but a lot of his suits came some from US food supply and then his his shirts. I think that shirt and and his white shirt were Tom Ford. And then I that that tan shirt we had made just I you know, I wanted him to have a shirt that match to suit so and then hit Unknown Speaker me by Ontario in Beverly Hills, right. Unknown Speaker No, no, I told you it was on top but on top made a lot of the shirts for for Don't worry, darling. This was actually made by segoe in Yeah, interesting. Yeah, that makes sense. PB I can can the the auto reference cans are huge. Huge. Unknown Speaker I thought I could spot them a mile away. Apparently. Unknown Speaker They're both really really talented shirt makers. Unknown Speaker So absolutely. Yeah. Also, going back at you had a few shots there. A goat Naomi Watts. There's so much fun kind of like knitwear it looks. It's a coziest show I've ever seen in my life. Voters are like that. Are you getting hounded by like viewers or friends? Like where can I find a sweater like this? Unknown Speaker Yeah, there's a whole Instagram account. And I think she's in Paris. This girl runs it. But it's like she does screen grabs of like where you can buy it. And so there's Yeah, and a lot of people are obsessed with her jewelry on it, too. Again, Naomi, it's like every fitting like we would take a photo and it was like a Vogue cover. Like she just like it. She knows how to pose. And she she's really it's funny. We had all of the I put all of the fitting photos up. And then we did her her first fitting, then Bobby's fitting and then when she came back and then when Bobby came back for his second fitting, he was looking at Naomi's music. She really knows how to post and so then trying to pose to outpost Naomi, but yeah, I mean, she just wears clothes so well and it's so beautiful. It's again she she made our job very easy. PB Really quick sidebar question. You mentioned that there's like an Instagram account that goes around and and kind of helps people to shop the look as it were from your, from your designs. How do you feel about that? Is it kind of like, well, you're, you're the one that's modeling these people and designing it. And then there's other people that are perhaps maybe getting affiliate handouts through, through through channels like that. I mean, I've always wondered just from your side of the fence and costume designers side of the fence. How you feel about those, those sort of channels? Unknown Speaker I mean, I think so it's nicer that people are in what I focus on is that people are enjoying it, and like it. So long as you know, they're not trying to say that they costume design it I'm okay. PB Well, I mean, that has happened to one of your, your colleagues, Ellen roughneck, who we had on last week, we spoke to about how, you know, things happen with certain tailors and designers that they might work with within the film itself. But then when they don't use their clothes, or they say, Look, this simply didn't work, then then designers and tailors will go away and say we created the entire look for that film. And then she would say that's when you cross the line. Unknown Speaker I know Ellen very well, and she will tell them that they have crossed the line. She's, she gave me my start. PB Nick, Nick, Nick. Yeah, Unknown Speaker yeah, she got me into the Union. And you know, she was really incredible. I was a costumer, the first season. And then she, I had just left. My early early days, I was an assistant at Vogue. And that was one of my first jobs when I got into film. And she was a customer and she came up to me one day on set, I'll never forget it. And she's like, why are you wasting your eye? And then she, you know, got me into the assisted her addressed all the background and yeah, so it's all PB well, she was great. We did it. We had it for half an hour on the on the first episode, Ken and I, and we were attempting to go through her entire filmography, show outfits and stars. And then and then as we got, like, up to up to speed as it were, I think she just said, Guys, why don't you come back tomorrow, we'll do this properly. You know, I'll carve out an hour and then we'll so we had it for an hour the next day as well, which was just terrific. Just so much energy. Unknown Speaker She's done every movie ever. PB And we still didn't cover bridgerton or anything like of the heavy hitters actually is. Unknown Speaker It tried to bring a gang or like eight times? PB She wouldn't. She wouldn't talk about cliffhanger. Well, I mean, God I've ever been to Jesus. She said she tried to watch it. Yeah, on telly. The other night came on like one of those and she says you only got 20 minutes into it. So well. In fairness, the first scene of cliffhanger is bestest alone in a vest up the top of a mountain. I mean, there's like up the peaks, like minus 20. And he's wearing a vest. So anywho talking about time, I really want to get into dharma. And Ken perhaps you can kick off? Unknown Speaker Oh, yeah, absolutely, sir. Now, the show obviously spans a broad set of time it goes from I guess 59 You know, when mother's pregnant all the way to 94. And I feel like you've nailed every decade. And I'm just curious. Yeah, if there's one thread though, it's gonna be brown Platt, I feel like there's a lot. Yeah. But again, is most of this stuff sourced? Or is it made or, like, Unknown Speaker everything this, this show was a monster to to undertake, and it bounced around so many times. throughout, throughout each episode, you know, it was like, I had a really, really incredible and massive team that that really kept me on track. And, you know, we, we had binders and research folders and, you know, binders of you know, every sneaker that came out by a year and every gene that came up by year and you know, we call them, you know, JC Penney catalogs and Montgomery Ward and Sears and yeah, because you couldn't really look at Vogue or, you know, we had some GQ is but you couldn't even really look at that. Because if you think about, you know, now like, everyone in the middle of nowhere can can find Vogue with Instagram and, you know, the internet, but back then, you know, you really, whatever happened at Vogue, it would take, you know, three to four years and sort of trickled down to, to what they were selling at JC Penney, which is where a lot of these characters would have shopped. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's that's what it really didn't feel real and lived in life. You know, like, a shirt that you might buy a Kmart with horizontal stripes on a polo or, or Unknown Speaker that strangely enough, we got I think we did a lot of shopping at JC Penney, which God bless them. They are timeless, timeless. Unknown Speaker me is that my dad used to wear honestly. Yeah. Bad jackets, you know? Unknown Speaker Yeah. Well, in a lot of the, especially a lot of the older actors, and we would get them dressed. They would they would look in the mirror and, and said, Oh, my God, I look like my dad or I look like my grandfather. It was Yeah. But in terms of where we got it, I mean, we went everybody, we went to the rack houses and you know, dug through bins, we made a lot of it. I mean, the rental houses in LA were absolutely incredible. And we kind of went everywhere, like to every vintage shop, like everywhere online. Like because we spend, you know, from the 50s to the 90s. We like we scoured everywhere. And Ryan also one of the reasons why I think it looks so great and so concise in terms of the colors is he gave us a very, very specific color palette. And he said he wanted it to look like a used urinal cake. So you know, shades of yellows, tans, browns, rhus olive greens? No red, is he's famous for not using any read. Well, I think he really PB can't read little. Did every guy in the room go, I know that look for us. All the women looked at each other and go, we need to do more research on that it was done at what he's on about over there. Unknown Speaker I'm curious. Cuz obviously, you know, these are awful real life events. How much of the clothes? Did you have, like a real reference for like, I know, the Halston hat that, that poor Tony wears. I've seen photos of him in that, just because obviously, you know, we don't have a mental image of him. I'm just curious how the real world played into the design. Unknown Speaker Well, like that holster had, for instance, we couldn't find we couldn't find a Halston hat to save our lives. Um, so we wound up making that one actually, and I had them screenprint the whole stick. But a lot of I mean, a lot of the clothes were we did you know, at sea diversity, diversity dive, but we really did try and as many photos as we can find, and there were very, very few photos of I think each, each character, you know, only had, you know, maybe four or five photos that we could find online. I mean, even Jeffrey, you know, there's, you know, obviously him in the orange jumpsuit, which we also had to make, because all of the jumpsuits we were finding were contemporary cotton. So I wanted to be really, really specific with, with everything and everything that we could match. You know, we did, but we didn't really know what he wore in his day to day life. So I used a lot of stripes in the show, not only was it you know, of the period, but there is a few a few photos that that I found that that he was wearing stripes, but like the famous one of him, you know, in the striped dress shirt, that was actually his dad's dress shirt, because they just gave him his dad's clothes. So he would look proper, his mother did. And there was a couple of photos, I found him, you know, like, drunk passed out in college where he was wearing plaid. So we sort of, you know, built the character around that and you know, Unknown Speaker and there's a scene where he goes, and he buys a short sleeve dress shirt at a store and it's just filled. It looks it seems to be filled with vintage suits. Was that a task for you? Is that the practice the production design? The set design? Yeah, Unknown Speaker that I mean, a lot of those suits are, are contemporary, but I worked really closely with the production designer. Matthew Ferguson, who I've worked quite a few times now he did the watcher as well, and American Horror Story. But we always work closely together. And you know, I think we loaned them a couple of suits, just the ones that we really saw up close. Yeah. And in terms of the you know, you asked like, how accurate you want to be the the courtroom scenes I think are the most accurate and the ones that I want it to be the most precise, because those really are the ones that you not only can Google but you can actually watch and we did watch the you know, the testimonies and so like, you know, Rita Isbell, one of the victims sisters with the 100% black shirt Do you know that and all of Molly's clothes we made and I even found like the actual brooch that she wore, which was like, a vintage Monet that I'm sure she bought that Penny's they still sell it. But that was the those scenes were the scenes that I was the most specific about matching exactly. That I just thought, you know, I, a lot of the victims I know and their families weren't, weren't happy that we were making it or wasn't happy in the end. So I I thought we owed it to them as storytellers in the very least to, you know, be as accurate and precise as possible for them if nothing else. Yeah, Unknown Speaker that that brings up something I'm curious about. It's obviously rare that any characters costume, you know, resonates with the public enough to become a popular Halloween costume. But in the case of Dahmer, obviously, it's it's, you know, it's terrible taste, but I'm just curious. I'm sure you've seen some of this online. You know, how you feel about it? And I imagine it's weird for you, but I'm just curious what that experience is like. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I mean, it's I, I don't know, it's weird. I get weird matches messages now online. You know, like, how people sympathize with Dahmer. I don't think that was the intent for any of us going in. I mean, Evan really portrayed him in such an exacting, and I think, true and kind of incredible way. But at the end of the day, you know, he was troubled, and you know, he did have a sad, sad, you know, life and upbringing. But he also brought a lot of sadness. And you know, he was a monster. And so I yeah, I, like you said, I think it's poor taste, too. I understand. I guess why people would want to, you know, maybe dress up like him, but it's, you know, I think it's PB my head. Yeah. It's, I think it's people not really, I don't know if it's an age thing, because I mean, I'm old enough to have lived through the 90s. And stuff. When this was coming out. I actually remember buying the Dharma book, because it was just, it's almost like one of the first of this kind to really hit the zeitgeist growing up. And, and my mom even took the book away. She's like, what you read. And I was like, Well, this is kind of like a really unique case, just like a horrible subject matter. But a very, very unique thing. That's not like I say, really happened at that moment, or before. I know, we had serial killers before. But this was really something that was pierced the thin skin of the UK, spirit over here. And people that are perhaps in their, their teens or their 20s might have seen this, but they haven't lived through what that was like, you know. So anyway, that's my, my spin. Rudy, let's move on from dharma. It was a it's a fantastic series of clothes. But I mean, yeah, also, I had a really strange moment where I was working out watching this, and I realized it's not a great working out series to watch. I mean, because I was working out at the same time he was working out. And oddly, I was doing the same reps, and I had to put everything down again, I've got to do something else you go through, but I do recommend everyone watch it. It is on Netflix. And I think you've you've painted the landscape for that. That series perfectly. And really, obviously now you have Unknown Speaker American Horror Story, New York on on the air. I'm curious. Do you have any project that you're working on currently? Unknown Speaker I know. I think I'm going to start one. Probably next week. Very last minute. I finished the film, I think about three or four weeks ago. And then I'm it's not official yet. But I think I'm gonna co design a couple episodes of the next season of feud that Ryan's producing and Gus Benson is, is directing all the episodes. So it's about this season's about Kaposi's women based off of that book, so late 60s, early 70s. Naomi is going to be in it again. And it's a big cast and a big undertaking so. So I think that's probably going to be my my next move. Right. Ryan draws you right back at Unknown Speaker how did you connect with him in the first place? Like you've obviously worked with him for years and years now. But Unknown Speaker yeah, I work really closely with Lou I read Kusa, who's his his longtime costume producer, so she sort of oversees and hires all of his product projects, and she's actually uh, she and I co design the first episode of The Watcher because I was still finishing up, Dahmer. And I think we'll, we'll probably co decided this next month together, but she's been with him for well over 20 years and, and so I met I met her I had just finished the alienist Oh, and so I met her in New York and she was needing somebody to do pose. So I met her on a Friday. And then on Monday, I was, I was working with her and I haven't had a day off. And Unknown Speaker that helped me you just completed was with, we're all about bond connections here is with Felix Leiter himself, Jeffrey. Unknown Speaker Jeffrey, right. And that doesn't have a title. Cord. Jefferson is the writer director. And he's, he wanted to call it something but but I think it got kicked back. So I just talked to him yesterday. So I think that'll come out. I want to say probably like four to six months, that will come out. And then again, it's not a done deal, but I'm hoping to do a play on Broadway that a friend Joe Mantello is going to direct sort of be my first Broadway show. And I'll probably start that once I finish on viewed PB is a Do you prefer Series TV film? I mean, I know you've you've done film as well, non stop and, and things like that you have a preference? Or do you like to mix and match it just to keep yourself interested? Unknown Speaker I mean, it's much easier to do a film and a lot of ways, certainly the pace, the pace of it, it's really, you know, if you have 10 episodes, it's like doing, you know, a 10 hour movie versus an actual movie with generally an hour and a half to two hours. So the pace of film is much, you know, more manageable. But, um, but I think in terms of especially where we're going with streaming, I think there's so much good content for TV. It's funny, it's like, you know, it used to be nobody, you know, if you did film, you did film and if you did TV, you stayed in TV, and now you know, everybody does TV. So you know. So I'm just happy to work so long as it's a good project. And PB cool. Really, thanks so much for taking time out to walk us through that. It was some great stories really, really interesting and best of luck with future project look forward to having you back on in four to six months along with Jeffrey Wright. Of course, he's more than welcome to come in and sit in. We're talking about suits from source code is T shirts. No time to die. Honestly, we'll just go through the law. Unknown Speaker Jeffrey loves to talk. So I'm sure he would. PB Yeah, he doesn't need a written invitation. But he's more than welcome. Where can people find you really? Rudy mounts on Instagram? Unknown Speaker Yeah, Rudy masks on Instagram. PB The Hangout? Yeah. Yeah. Great. And can I oceanographer people know how to get ahold of you and we'll leave all the links in the show notes. Thanks so much, gents, and catch you soon. Next time. You Bye. Thanks, Rudy. Thanks, Kim. Yeah, of course man. Can speak to you soon. Yep. I think he's way off. Unknown Speaker I'm trying really? Bye bye. Unknown Speaker I still have it still says live in the corner for me. I get it. Well, you can PB because yeah, he's he's ended but I'll just end the recording. I got to shoot him. Yeah. Good guy. Nice. Nice dude. Yeah. Interesting. Unknown Speaker I liked that. Lm Rajini compression that was pretty dead on. Yeah, that's gonna want you to we're pretty fucking fun. Mia Farrow coming in like being an already. Oh, I didn't get to ask about the detective with the gloves. PB Next, or you can do some follow up. He seems he seems like quite a relaxed guy. Anyway. As in you. I don't think we could really tell if anything was agitating him. Yeah, yeah. So like, I think the the costume design was, you know, he probably if he saw it beforehand, you probably go guys, you don't need to ask me that. But you know, like I say not everything can be plain sailing. And by the way, I've just come to the the understanding that you know, you want to ask the questions that people want to know the answer to it can't all just be blowing smoke up your ass. This looks great. That looks great. Where did you buy this? What brand is it? You know, you got you got to make it. Interesting, because I've realized listening back to the Ellen Rogen interview. That's probably the first time she's actually a costume designer has come on and said something bad about either retailer or another brand. Normally, it's all Oh, he was a delight to work with. Oh, he's sensational. Oh, that's so great. But every once in a while you do need someone to say he was a right fucker. Right. So anyway, great, man. Really good questions. Thanks for having me. Unknown Speaker I got to work on my question. So I noticed that I'm a little nervous. I tend to ramble. Not just PB No, no, well, you're much better than me because I start with a point and then try and chase it around the houses and it never grounds itself. And the question is normally, like, maybe I just hope that they stopped me talking at some point. Unknown Speaker out, you know where you're headed, and then you're like, 12 words, and then you just read the door. PB Yeah, that's it. When Ella Mirage, Nick says at the end of the interview, why don't you come back tomorrow and and find out what you really want to know. I think she said something like, just ask me just go away and talk about it amongst yourselves and figuring out what you want to ask me. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that was funny, though, that she left and then the next day everybody's a winner, everybody. Everybody's so nice. The second day. Yeah, there's no more that Flusser stuff. But But man, that was some good dirt. On day two was Cerruti again. PB No, no. Well, listening back to the interview, though. So I kind of I didn't do any research on Basic Instinct, or maybe I did, but I completely forgot that. She said the route you didn't do basic instinct. I know she's hammered on about Wall Street and fatal attraction. But I forgot that she also put Cerruti in the Basic Instinct cap. So yeah, when I first started the interview with Surya it didn't go down. Well, well, I sent her the book, she didn't even send a message back. So maybe it didn't, didn't remind her. But, uh, but also when you come to listen to that, right, so like, for example, we'll put the first interview out tomorrow, I'll probably Unknown Speaker put this are you gonna cut the second one into two or you're gonna leave? PB Yeah, I'll do it as a trilogy. And at but I'll put this one out, you know, to just chop it all up. So I'll put the one that we just did with Rudy out after the one we did with Ellen. And then when we come back in a couple of weeks later, no one's gonna remember what she said about Nino Cerruti. So if I start with Hey, Basic Instinct leanness really, right, she'll know, you know, she can correct me. So that's how I in my head. That's how I justify it. For my complete fuckup Unknown Speaker I feel so ashamed that those shirts were not from and that was the first question I asked him as like where they think so. Yeah. Oh, we also use some for I was like I knew it. No. PB Apply on your anto skills. You'll be excommunicated from the anto community. Unknown Speaker Yeah, and I'm gonna go to Turnbull and Asser, and buy these brows and shirts. I'm just I'm just poking them over everywhere. PB Yeah, yeah. You're You're the treacherous. Treason, the highest stage. Unknown Speaker I'm gonna get hate mail over this interview. Oh, thanks a lot. You fuck it. PB I'm doing another one on Monday, if you want to jump on that. Unknown Speaker Oh, sure. What are you talking about more bond? Brands and stuff? PB Yeah, I've kind of want to get away from quarter of an inch to three thirds of an inch on a sleeve collar. I mean, it's good and Unknown Speaker interesting, but 12 in the world? Probably. PB No, it is good. It is good. But I do need a little bit of levity. I think you know, going week on week after, you know, comparing collars is, you know, it has its place, I think we kind of have to give it a bit of space. So I'll figure it out or do some show notes or Dan Gaster. Will and then I'll perhaps send him over maybe the prop store option because that's coming that's happening today. The next couple of days. And I think we can just recap on all the bond stuff that sold or didn't so that can be a point. They didn't want Unknown Speaker to Brassens full suits with the from Golden I don't think that bluebirds I PB want right yeah, they got out of them. That's fucking cool. Oh, yeah. That'd be cool. So yeah, something around that. Keep it keep it light. Unknown Speaker Apology. I'm just wondering. No, I'm not gonna buy it. I'm just wondering if I bought it. Can I wear it? No, but six, six, even PB three. Yeah, but no, he's not. I don't think he's six three. I think he might be six ones. Six one. He's probably shrunk a little bit. Now. He's in his 70s Unknown Speaker a little longer to you know, yeah. No, I probably get away. PB Well, that's pretty. I think he's got Unknown Speaker me with mud. And it's that I've destroyed history. That's what I have done. PB Yeah. Oh, gray owl. I still can't bring myself to watch gray out. Grey owl or old owl. British. Pretty sure he did. Gray out in between one of the Bond films and bring up. It's just him in Okay. Pretending to be a Navajo Indian. I'm just going to I'm just going by the post about gray owl. Pierce Brosnan. 1999. So that would have been in bond. Yeah. It's ready for this Fucking film that is Unknown Speaker is he playing a Native American or is PB he knows fucking fucking Unknown Speaker looks tan there. That's PB not that's not a great look, actually a Richard Attenborough film I don't know this is kind of luring me in now. Unknown Speaker That GQ bit where he talks about roles, right? I love that his mom called him for years every time Dante's Peak was on. Ah, yeah, PB no, that's cool. Well, maybe we'll have to, we'll have to touch. Great. Oh. I better shoot. Yeah, no worries. But yeah. Oh, hey, man, question for you. I don't I'm trying to on YouTube. You know, when you see like a thumbnail on your YouTube feed goes live video coming tomorrow, or this will get posted later on. I don't know if you see that. But it's kind of like a pre heat. Unknown Speaker Yeah, yeah, I've seen this as PB well, only on the live ones. Right. Because apparently that does it with live stuff. But I've been trying to get this the one that we're doing tomorrow. I was trying to get that as a post as it's coming tomorrow. Yeah. I just don't know how to do. I think. Unknown Speaker I think you can do it separate just a post like you would on like Instagram or something just like a steal. But it won't show up. I don't think like I have this channel saved in like my favorites. Right. I don't think it shows up there. But I think if I am following you, then it will show up in my feed if I'm scrolling through. PB Right. Okay. All right. Yeah, cuz I'll have to google that. And see. Cool. All right. Great. Catching up. Unknown Speaker Mirage is such a cool one. It deserves a trilogy. PB Well, that's, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's what I'm thinking oh, sorry. Just to just spread it out. Unknown Speaker Send me a message on Instagram or something PB I did years ago because I really wanted to speak to her about unfaithful. I wanted to do a whole special I fucking love that film. Honestly, I think that's one of the best films Unknown Speaker years ago. You want to talk to you most? PB Yeah, no, I I can watch Richard Gere in fucking I think he's, I mean, he's my mom's favorite as well. But if you just sit down and go hard and if it's film's gonna be any good and then Richard Gere just kind of wanders in shot and you get fucking out Richard years and this is great. And he does so much with just except like, if you watch a Richard Gere shot, right? He does so much just by exhaling, he'll just go. Like that. I mean, that's kind of that's his, you know, his modus operandi for, like, whatever it might be whatever the feeling of the scene is. It's just a yes. Which is in the scene, and he's exhaling. Unknown Speaker I know, I never liked him. I still don't really. PB Wow. I mean, I mean, how not Wow, how? Unknown Speaker I don't know there's just something about him the way he delivers lines. The way he's the way he like, even when he's silent. There's just a vibe to him that I just I don't like the way you talk about you that that's the way I feel about Elliott Gould. PB Oh, you love LA? Unknown Speaker I love that Elliott Gould, even when he's just silent in a what was that? Podcast? It was the Adam Carolla Carolla show. Yeah, they just out there. PB It was great about that is that they still use clips from that interview of the little bits that he said, and they use that in future shows like drops, like I do, like fascinating shit and stuff like that. They'll they'll drop it in, like, I don't care, who gives a shit, and all that sort of stuff. Unknown Speaker I was at a work dinner. We were entertaining. And I was like the second man on the you know, the docket that was the COO and then it was me. We were entertained this group and we went to this restaurant in New York and Elliott Gould walked in and sat down at a table not far from us. And I was like, starstruck. And I, and he was alone. And he just sat he didn't look at his phone or bring a book or anything. He just sat staring straight ahead. And it was a static and I wanted to talk to him so bad, but I didn't want to look like, you know, I didn't want it to be rude to my guests or seemed like a fanboy. But these people sat down next to him. And the guy started talking to him, and then he just joined them. And the three of them had they were strangers, and I had dinner with him. PB That would have been you. Cool. I mean, you know, I have that same feeling when if I bump into anyone famous or someone's in the room that's famous and they're talking to someone else, like so. Like at the lock and CO event right? You have Maryam de abou from living daylights out there and she's talking to everyone I want to fucking talk to Mary maybe or at least introduce myself but I don't want to you know cut in on anyone else's Convo. But I did have so I didn't talk to her at And I didn't even approach her just let Unknown Speaker Blair I saw that he wrote that. PB That motherfucker literally just she was only in the room for 10 minutes and he took her upstairs for like a 40 minute interview no one needs to fucking interview her for 40 minutes let her work the room. It was only an hour and a half event for fuck sake. Can furious with Blair. Anyway. But I met this guy called Nick Moran, similar to you. He's an actor in them in the UK. He was in lock stock, two smoking barrels of famous, famous British actor anyway, he was at a bar on his own. This was only a couple of weeks ago. But because he was on his own, I said, Hey, Nick. Yeah. I'm Pete. I'm a fan. And I'm like, went to shake and he was just fucking that was it. That was the intro. It wasn't like, what do I do? How do I approach it with it? You know, because he was on his own. And I also let him know my deal of like, I'm coming, coming from a place of fandom but I'm not like, I fucking love that livestock man. It was just okay. Neck. Pete. I'm a fan. And he was like, actually quite cool to cool to talk to you. He was like talking for ages. And he was talking to Anastasia about Russia, Canada and filming there. I mean, literally, I had to leave. I said, Nick, I gotta go. And he was he would have carried on into the night. I'm like, Yeah, shoot. Unknown Speaker Like two quick things. Real fast. My boss is COO at that event. Or at that dinner. This restaurant was just packed that day. Pat Riley? No, not Pat Riley, who's the big coach of the bowls, and then the Lakers. Enormous guy. It'll, I'll think of it later. But anyway, he's a very famous coach. He's the most winning coach in basketball. My, my boss was a huge NBA fan. And he was starstruck by him. And he also could not go up and talk to you. No, no, no, no, the coach. He wasn't old ballplayer. to film something doesn't matter. But the last thing I'll say is I used to go to this pizza shop every day when I worked downtown, like across the street. And I got to know the owner and he was this old. He was from Dharma, Salah where the Tibetan monks have the you know, have the monastery and all that. He owned a restaurant there in Dharamsala, because there's so many tourists, you know? And, you know, right, but he wanted to come to the United States, and he owns a pizza shop. And I asked him, like, Do you have any stories? Like he was like, oh, yeah, so my friend was the chef to the Dalai Lama. So he would go on vacation, and I would do that job. And so I did it for a few weeks here and there like, and I was like, Jesus, wow. Also, the chef or the Dalai Lama takes vacations. That's weird. But do you have any stories from doing that? He's like, Oh, yeah. Do you know who Richard Gere is and PB fucking say, boring. Patch Pete. Pete saved me for 10 minutes. I'm gonna go take a shit. Yeah, Unknown Speaker exactly. It was. I was so nonplussed. I was like, oh, no, yeah. No, PB that's cool. All right. All right. How about this? I recommend one Richard Gere film to you that I don't think you would have seen. And then in exchange, I'll watch something Elliott Gould has done apart from friends and escape to a Fina. Unknown Speaker Your algo Have you seen the long goodbye by Robert Altman? No, don't think he plays Philip Marlowe like the same Philip Marlowe. They're Humphrey Bogart played but he plays them in the 70s. PB Let me see if that's on Netflix. Unknown Speaker And what Richard Gere, do I have PB to sell you seen? Have you seen arbitrage? Unknown Speaker No, I have not. PB All right. Okay. Now this is slightly different because it's not. Officer and a Gentleman. It's not, you know, on favorites. Richard Gere in arbitrage. And it's all political. It's all very powerful CEOs. And they're all trite. He's like the head of this company that looks on the outside, like a very pristine and big profiteering company, and he's this big CEO of it. But underneath it's hemorrhaging cash, it's going bankrupt, and it's collapsing within a couple of days. And he's got to try and sell this company, before other investors find out that it's just built on sand. That's one bit going on over there. And the other bit going over there. He's having an affair, because he always says affairs. He's the best at having affairs. And something goes really wrong in the affair. I won't tell you what, but that kind of those two worlds start to interlink and it's fabulous. Unknown Speaker This doesn't sound like a movie. PB It's regular life. It's just it's just everyday life for Richard Gere, but arbitrage and it's good for suits as well. Like it's kind of like a suited office type, you know, corporate America type deal, so I think I think you'll dig it. Unknown Speaker Yeah. I was hoping you'd say Primal Fear. I've actually never seen that one either. I PB do know I I've given that 10 minutes Primal Fear and then I got distracted and I've not returned to it. Yeah, no, I'm not the purist. I'm not the Richard Gere purists. Well, that should go back to it. I gotta go, mate. I've got a great chance here. Thanks for this. Thanks for putting together and it was, it was it was I'll drop him a note after this just to just to thank him as well but I'm sure you will do too. Alright. Have a great weekend. You too. Take it easy. Transcribed by https://otter.ai